Christian Conservatives Should Walk The Walk Black & Right July 2, 2013 Politics, Religion 9 Comments Let me preface this by saying I’ve met a lot of fine Christian conservatives. They are God-fearing and treat people in the manner in which they wish to be treated. I would expect nothing less and those people seldom disappoint. However because we’re dealing with flawed human beings, this is unfortunately not universal and thus very disappointing. In my world, politics merges with religious values every day. Whether we’re talking about marriage or reproduction, religion always finds a way to seep in and become the place where all discussion stops because we’re supposed to conduct ourselves in ways the Lord would approve. End of story. That’s all very well and good as long as we’re consistent and consistency is where many Christian conservatives unfortunately fall flat. Don’t get me wrong. I could write an essay twice as long about liberal inconsistency and hypocrisy, but I point that out almost everyday so no need to rehash. We should be above that and to a great degree, we are not. I’ll not waste valuable time in specifics because we all know the issues currently being debated in the public arena of ideas, but there’s one value we are taught before we learn to count: The Golden Rule. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. — Matthew 7:12 I’ll be perfectly honest with you; I know a lot of Christian conservatives who are potentially genuinely nice people. I say potentially because while they are church-going, God-fearing Christians on one hand, they (in some cases), go out of their way to treat people like shit on the other. You know me. I’m a creature of consistency and there’s nothing that irks me more than people who say one thing and do another. I don’t know if they figure they can go to church on Sunday, pray for forgiveness so they can feel like they’ve absolved themselves of the ill manner in which they’ve treated others, but I see this so often it bothers me because it provides the political opening for our ideological opponents to point at us and scream “See…?” If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? — 1 John 4:20 The conservatives I most respect are the ones who talk the talk and walk the walk. These are people who on a daily basis, treat others in the manner in which they would want to be treated. Seriously, how fucking simple is this? They not only think about how they conduct their lives but how their actions affect other people around them. They don’t bully people because they can. They don’t hurt people because they can, and of course, they have a conscience so they are capable of reflection on how their actions affect others. Personally, I’m tired of having to deal with people who talk one way, boast of their Christian morality, and then conduct their interactions with others in a very cold, heartless, and calculating way. It makes for bad politics, private and public relations, and it’s hypocritical and inconsistent. And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. — Ephesians 4:32 Again, not all Christians conservatives are like this, but there are enough; some in positions of influence, be it on a national scale or personal level. Let’s not even delve into specific issues but just center on The Golden Rule for starters. Think about how much easier it would be to deal with those other issues if we treated ourselves with dignity and respect first before engaging our political enemies. You’d know who really has your back and you could trust. Wow, imagine how great that could be. Rick_Won Two issues affect a person’s “walk”. One is personal and the other is their church. As has been mentioned here and elsewhere a person shouldn’t need to shout to the world “I’M A CHRISTIAN!”. What should happen is others should come up to you and ask what is it that makes you different?.Are you a Christian? Christians don’t realize they are on a journey through life and they are to grow in Christ throughout the journey with perfection coming only when they are no longer on this earth. Where problems come is when people adopt an air of superiority over others, this is especially true in regards to denominations. Some feel theirs will be the only denomination in Heaven which is a lie out of Hell because there isn’t anything in the Word of God about denominations. Indeed some christians become so prideful they actually do more harm to the Kingdom of God than they do good. Some people dismiss pride as okay within the church, they are proud of their big building or 200 foot crosses out front. They might want to study on why Lucifer was thrown from Heaven before they go any further. Second of all people get hung up on “church”. You’ve all met them, “my church this” and “my church that”. Another lie out of Hell because the church isn’t the buildings, the choirs, celebrity pastors, or even the crosses on the property. The church is the people and people are imperfect. Always have been, always will be. I’ve been on the receiving end of condemnation because of the church I attend. This comes from those of other denominations because they feel their denomination is better than mine. I worship the Trinity, not the pastor, not a bunch of buildings and surely not a denomination. As for the Golden Rule, you’ll see it broken within the church body as much, maybe more, than you will on the outside. Judging is a favorite sport of christians (“Little-c Christians” as Mojo1 calls them). Someone’s hair is too long, some is too short. “Look at that woman’s clothing” while not caring the woman is a prostitute trying to straighten out her life. Heaven forbid if, in some churches, a black person should enter the doors. In others a white person would be subjected to the same prejudices. I learned a saying when I was saved, “Walk the walk, talk the talk.” which is cute but erroneous. Just walk the walk and let your actions (love) towards other speak about your Relationship with Jesus instead of boasting about your religion. Like Coca-Cola, people prefer the real thing. GoodMojo1 Many I’ve dealt with I might call, “Little-c Christians”. They use a lot of Christian -like verbiage, as if it cloaks atrocious behavior, or absolves it. In my experience it does neither. When they display those behaviors, they certainly make others look bad. Christianity itself is a structure that differentiates “Right” from “Wrong”. That’s why Leftists/Democrats/liberals are at war against it. I call myself a “Christian”. I try to live up to that, but I sometimes fail in the ways humans do. It does affect the way I deal with individuals and the world. Trying hard to do the “right thing” doesn’t always have a visible reward attached to it. It has however, elevated my life in many ways that contrast the periods in my life when I didn’t try as hard. I call myself a “Conservative”, also. In many ways it too affects the way I deal with individuals and the world. I my mind, Conservatism does not exist without Christianity. Conservative policy often requires “doing the right thing, because it’s the right thing”. Christianity serves to define the right thing. Igor Oh, sure Bob, judge them for what they DO, not what they SAY! You judgmental hater, you!! ;P Beware of those who *say* they are righteous, the true Christian lets their deeds do the talking. Unfortunately they are drowned out more and more by those narcissists who are screaming “look at me, I’m better than you”. Then there are the False Christs. I won’t go there, we’re surrounded by them! Hey, I’m a Mormon. I get pre-judged all the time: I’m not a christian. I hate women because I “keep them down”. I am a homophobe because my Church teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Geeze, I could go on and on here. wlh76, those who go to church because of “entertainment” are in the wrong church. Christ wants us to be sober, hardworking, honest, and to stand as a witness of Him, *not* to be an entertainer. Everybody please remember that it is Christ and his teachings that are perfect. All others fall short, all others are not bereft of Sin. Christ is the Standard, the Goal worthy of spending one’s lives attaining but never quite reaching. So what? He said to follow him, and His way is the Only way to Heaven. Tough to do, but *doable*, knowwhutImean? He does not give us impossible tasks. I won’t argue basic theology here, I won’t denigrate your beliefs if you profess to follow Christ, however I can make judgements for myself based on your actions. If you follow Christ’s teachings and commandments then you are a Christian. Period. If you don’t, but insist on calling yourself one, well, I recognize you as wearing sheep’s clothing… The Gospel is true, ’tis Men that pervert the Right Way. GoodMojo1 “Oh, sure Bob, judge them for what they DO, not what they SAY!…” – Igor Be wary of the results of what they day and what they do. wlh76 Good piece Bob and unfortunately true. Jesus in His time spent a lot time dealing with hypocrites, pharisees, in religion. It has been my experience that people who boast of their Christianity are the most judgmental and least forgiving. Some Christians don’t know that the Bible is used for training not to beat unbelieve over the head. I blame a lot of this on Christian leaders who are more interested in entertaining people and growing large churches than in growing spirit filled congregations. Sadly there are church leaders that have forgotten or don’t know the lessons Christ taught on humility and heaven forbid they teach about sin, forgiveness and propitiation. Lastly let’s not forget we were warned about wolves in sheep clothing and told we will know them by their fruit. eNeecie I think part of the problem arises when people use the same word, but mean different things. I am a Christian. I am a political Conservative. I am not a “Christian Conservative.” I have found that many people who call themselves “Christian Conservatives” are not politically conservative, but rather big government types who wish to establish what amounts to a theocracy. Before I understood this I was frustrated and confused when talking to what I thought were other conservatives. Once I realized they were actually traditional-value liberals, it made more sense. And being there in the belly of the beast (DC area), Bob, you are seeing the worst of the worst–the modern day Pharisees, the so-called leaders of the Christian Conservatives. In the nineties, I worked for a the now defunct Minirth-Meier Clinic. It was a psychiatric hospital run by two self-professed Christian psychologist. At the time they were pretty famous in the Christian community; they “wrote” several books, had a radio program, and conducted seminars all over the country. I have never worked with more unethical people in my life. I think you are right. I think some people think that it is easier to ask for God’s forgiveness than to act in a godly manner in the first place. As the Bible says, “Money is the root of all sorts of evil” and Christians are not exempt. It was exposure to the millionaire televangelists like Jerry Falwell that caused the great theologian Francis Schaeffer’s son Franky to loose his faith. The reason you find it difficult to talk to Christian Conservatives is the same reason it is difficult to talk to liberals–they believe what they believe out of blind faith rather than reason. But faith in God is not supposed to be blind. Faith is believing in things that we, as mere mortals, cannot understand, like the nature of God and eternity. It does not include things which can be understood by most mortals and that can be discussed in a logical and rational manner. The fact is that God did give us a brain and He expects us to use it. If you look at the Old Testament laws, most, but certainly not all, of the laws that He gave us can be justified as being natural and practical. Although Bill O’Reilly meant it in an elitist and bigoted way, what he said about many of the people opposing gay marriage was true. Many of them can not offer any argument against same-sex marriage other than “thumping their Bibles,” as he rudely put it. They know instinctively (and I believe, correctly) that it is wrong, but they have not thought about it enough to be able to communicate why it is wrong. But that is THE problem facing our country today. Very few people can think and communicate clearly. That is why I think it is important to help people learn not WHAT to think, but HOW to think. If they know how to think, then they will have the tools to seek the truth. I don’t blame you for having problems with people in Christian groups. I am a devout Christian and I have trouble fitting into most groups even though I share most of the same values. I also believe that God gave people free will and I believe we should let people express that freedom just as long as it doesn’t take someone else’s freedom away. In other words, we’d all be better off if people remembered the old saying: Good fences make good neighbors. tv2112 Bob, Great post. However, don’t get frustrated with people that stray and still call themselves Christian. I have the same answer for the people that attack the faith by pointing out pedophiles, molesters, etc… within the clergy; Read Revelations. In the first couple pages the seven churches of Asia are judged. Most had strayed from the word. They are offered a chance to repent or else. So of course there will be sin in the churches (from top to bottom) because John already saw that. So the reason evil pops up within the Christian faith is because it has to. I also know many good people that would help out anyone at the drop of a hat. So I wish everyone would be more thoughtful towards others. The world would be a nicer place. But the more the populace strays from God, the more people are indifferent towards their fellow man. Tallyman The Golden Rule is a guide post, but sometimes the bridge ahead is out. You should treat all with dignity and respect until or unless you know them to have harmful intent toward you. Those who mistreat others create a karma in which they will be treated. The Dodo is extinct because it did not learn to avoid men. Religion is oft used as cloak covering what lurks under it. Three thousand years without change. Ecclesiastes (8:14) But this is nonsense. Look at what happens in the world: sometimes righteous men get the punishment of the wicked, and wicked men get the reward of the righteous. I say it is useless. (15) So I am convinced that a man should enjoy himself, because the only pleasure he has in his life is eating drinking and enjoying himself. He can at least do this as he labors during the life God has given him in this world. (3:8) He sets the time for love and the time for hate, the time for war and the time for peace. Guest Good piece Bob and unfortunately true. Jesus in His time spent a lot time dealing with hypocrites, pharisees, in religion. It has been my experience that people who boast of their Christianity are the most judgmental and least forgiving. Some Christians don’t know that the Bible is used for training not to beat unbelieve over the head. I blame a lot of this on Christian leaders who are more interested in entertaining people and growing large churches than in growing spirit filled congregations. Sadly there are church leaders that have forgotten or don’t know the lessons Christ taught on humility and heaven forbid they teach about sin, forgiveness and propitiation. Lastly let’s not forget we were warned about wolves in sheep clothing and told we will know them by their fruit.