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		<title>By: n.n</title>
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		<dc:creator>n.n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;not something I condone by either party&quot;

Is she a &quot;progressive&quot;?

&quot;I am curious...&quot;

&quot;http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/...tea-bagging/&quot;

No, she must be a &quot;liberal.&quot;  Backpedaling already?  This is grade school all over again.

First, they were on the defensive.  Then, on the offensive.  Today, once again, they are on the defensive.

The tide is turning.  People realize their policies will require sacrifices, and they are not prepared to make them.  Even journalists with integrity cannot deny that regressive policies have always been, and continue to be, dismal failures.  This is especially true when their policies sabotage the economy, which serves the needs of human beings while they exist on Earth.  Furthermore, it doesn&#039;t help to have a large unproductive class which undermines our economy, nor a large aging population which will become a burden on the same, nor a growing illegal population who delegitimize and destabilize our society.

Is invocation of &quot;Godwin&#039;s Law&quot; equivalent to that of mentioning Nazis?  Just when do socialists escape their heritage in Nazi Germany, the communist CCCP, fascist Italy, imperial Japan, etc.  By the way, if the fascists are &quot;right-wing&quot;, then the people who ascribe to conservative principles and philosophy are neither &quot;right-wing,&quot; and certainly not &quot;left-wing.&quot;  History would dictate that the regressives, including their modern equivalents, the &quot;liberals&quot; and &quot;progressives&quot;, lay claim to both wings.  It is unfortunate that people have either forgotten or choose to ignore the past, and, surprisingly, the present.

I thought the solution lies with the &quot;minorities&quot; casting of their chains and speaking out against those who would exploit them.  It seems I underestimated their tactics.  While whites experience progressive exploitation, discrimination, and marginalization,  so too do blacks, Hispanics, and other &quot;minorities.&quot;  This is not a &quot;black and white&quot; issue.  It is about control, and, by definition, it is fascism, it is dictatorial.  A more appropriate analogy of BS to a figure in history would be Mussolini.  Although, Hitler, Stalin, et al, were just as much fascists.  It is telling how easily each philosophy crosses over to the other.  Does that also trigger &quot;Godwin&#039;s Law&quot; (is an uncle also required)?

Does the debate end because &quot;he won&quot;?  Does he have an unrestricted mandate with 53% support?  Just how many supporters does he have?  Considering that more moderates are recognizing the insanity of his, and the Democrats (and other pretenders), policies, we can assume that his support has been reduced from his original base. There is no way that anyone who did not vote for him, would support his regressive policies.  So, his current approval rating hovers around 50%. That would mean that he only has support from  no more than 27% of the country.

One more matter.  If our &quot;representatives&quot; (i.e., public servants) will not, or cannot, even read the bills before them, then let the &quot;Tea Parties&quot; continue.  Eventually, everyone will recognize and accept reality.  The  regressive limbo should be left in the past, along with other discarded and denounced relics which only serve to curtail progress and prevent peaceful coexistence.

We don&#039;t need no education.  We don&#039;t need no thought control! -- Pink Floyd

The &quot;elites&quot; can keep their residence in the &quot;ivory towers&quot; and leave the people with individual dignity and a superior life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;not something I condone by either party&#8221;</p>
<p>Is she a &#8220;progressive&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;I am curious&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/&#8230;tea-bagging/&#8221;</p>
<p>No, she must be a &#8220;liberal.&#8221;  Backpedaling already?  This is grade school all over again.</p>
<p>First, they were on the defensive.  Then, on the offensive.  Today, once again, they are on the defensive.</p>
<p>The tide is turning.  People realize their policies will require sacrifices, and they are not prepared to make them.  Even journalists with integrity cannot deny that regressive policies have always been, and continue to be, dismal failures.  This is especially true when their policies sabotage the economy, which serves the needs of human beings while they exist on Earth.  Furthermore, it doesn&#8217;t help to have a large unproductive class which undermines our economy, nor a large aging population which will become a burden on the same, nor a growing illegal population who delegitimize and destabilize our society.</p>
<p>Is invocation of &#8220;Godwin&#8217;s Law&#8221; equivalent to that of mentioning Nazis?  Just when do socialists escape their heritage in Nazi Germany, the communist CCCP, fascist Italy, imperial Japan, etc.  By the way, if the fascists are &#8220;right-wing&#8221;, then the people who ascribe to conservative principles and philosophy are neither &#8220;right-wing,&#8221; and certainly not &#8220;left-wing.&#8221;  History would dictate that the regressives, including their modern equivalents, the &#8220;liberals&#8221; and &#8220;progressives&#8221;, lay claim to both wings.  It is unfortunate that people have either forgotten or choose to ignore the past, and, surprisingly, the present.</p>
<p>I thought the solution lies with the &#8220;minorities&#8221; casting of their chains and speaking out against those who would exploit them.  It seems I underestimated their tactics.  While whites experience progressive exploitation, discrimination, and marginalization,  so too do blacks, Hispanics, and other &#8220;minorities.&#8221;  This is not a &#8220;black and white&#8221; issue.  It is about control, and, by definition, it is fascism, it is dictatorial.  A more appropriate analogy of BS to a figure in history would be Mussolini.  Although, Hitler, Stalin, et al, were just as much fascists.  It is telling how easily each philosophy crosses over to the other.  Does that also trigger &#8220;Godwin&#8217;s Law&#8221; (is an uncle also required)?</p>
<p>Does the debate end because &#8220;he won&#8221;?  Does he have an unrestricted mandate with 53% support?  Just how many supporters does he have?  Considering that more moderates are recognizing the insanity of his, and the Democrats (and other pretenders), policies, we can assume that his support has been reduced from his original base. There is no way that anyone who did not vote for him, would support his regressive policies.  So, his current approval rating hovers around 50%. That would mean that he only has support from  no more than 27% of the country.</p>
<p>One more matter.  If our &#8220;representatives&#8221; (i.e., public servants) will not, or cannot, even read the bills before them, then let the &#8220;Tea Parties&#8221; continue.  Eventually, everyone will recognize and accept reality.  The  regressive limbo should be left in the past, along with other discarded and denounced relics which only serve to curtail progress and prevent peaceful coexistence.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need no education.  We don&#8217;t need no thought control! &#8212; Pink Floyd</p>
<p>The &#8220;elites&#8221; can keep their residence in the &#8220;ivory towers&#8221; and leave the people with individual dignity and a superior life.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmylewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmylewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ... I will take it for granted that she has some intelligence!&quot;  

Classic Robert!!!

J.M. Lewis
SCS, Michigan
Blog: http://rougerevival.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; I will take it for granted that she has some intelligence!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Classic Robert!!!</p>
<p>J.M. Lewis<br />
SCS, Michigan<br />
Blog: <a href="http://rougerevival.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rougerevival.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: MissJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>MissJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Derrick, why don&#039;t you ask Mr. Butters? If you&#039;re really curious, you should do that. 

And I&#039;m curious - why do you and others call the Tea Party attendees &quot;teabaggers&quot;? No doubt you&#039;ve got a good reason. After all, we&#039;ve all read the Huffington Post writers call gay rights activists &quot;butt****ers&quot;, animal rights activists &quot;furries&quot;, and immigrants groups &quot;Dirty Sanchezes&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Derrick, why don&#8217;t you ask Mr. Butters? If you&#8217;re really curious, you should do that. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m curious &#8211; why do you and others call the Tea Party attendees &#8220;teabaggers&#8221;? No doubt you&#8217;ve got a good reason. After all, we&#8217;ve all read the Huffington Post writers call gay rights activists &#8220;butt****ers&#8221;, animal rights activists &#8220;furries&#8221;, and immigrants groups &#8220;Dirty Sanchezes&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lisa, 

Sucks to be you now, doesn&#039;t it?  Free Speech is good only when liberals are using it, is that the picture?

Go move to Cuba - you&#039;ll feel right at home there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lisa, </p>
<p>Sucks to be you now, doesn&#8217;t it?  Free Speech is good only when liberals are using it, is that the picture?</p>
<p>Go move to Cuba &#8211; you&#8217;ll feel right at home there.</p>
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		<title>By: The Machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACORN would be the functional equivalent of the Nazi Brownshirts, not the SS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACORN would be the functional equivalent of the Nazi Brownshirts, not the SS.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godwin&#039;s Law is the last resort and not something I condone by either party. I am curious if the Duval County Republican Party did not wish to endorse or support the views of those comparing Obama to Hitler, why did their Director of Social Media Stephen Butters post those picture to their Facebook page?. They have been removed, but you can see all of them at http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/07/05/is-it-free-speech-hitlerobama-comparisons-at-republican-promoted-tea-bagging/
where the facebook tags are very clearly attached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godwin&#8217;s Law is the last resort and not something I condone by either party. I am curious if the Duval County Republican Party did not wish to endorse or support the views of those comparing Obama to Hitler, why did their Director of Social Media Stephen Butters post those picture to their Facebook page?. They have been removed, but you can see all of them at <a href="http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/07/05/is-it-free-speech-hitlerobama-comparisons-at-republican-promoted-tea-bagging/" rel="nofollow">http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/07/05/is-it-free-speech-hitlerobama-comparisons-at-republican-promoted-tea-bagging/</a><br />
where the facebook tags are very clearly attached.</p>
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		<title>By: chris97391</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris97391</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how the liberals can dish it out, but don&#039;t you dare do it to them. It&#039;s children running our country and they are running it right into the ground :(.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how the liberals can dish it out, but don&#8217;t you dare do it to them. It&#8217;s children running our country and they are running it right into the ground <img src='http://www.black-and-right.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing with breadbasket&#039;s &quot;Let&#039;s see&quot;:

Not a native
Never held a real job
Pretends to be an expert in fields in which he has no experience
Associates with radicals
Funded by industrialists
Created his own symbol
Strong-arm election tactics
Fraudulent voter registration
Carefully planned, highly organized and tightly orchestrated public speeches, at night with dramatic lighting, etc.
Got his own songs (see little children singing &#039;em on YouTube; it&#039;s scary)
Nebulous promises of undefined change
Consolidating power immediately
Constraint of the press

Gee. Is there a pattern, or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing with breadbasket&#8217;s &#8220;Let&#8217;s see&#8221;:</p>
<p>Not a native<br />
Never held a real job<br />
Pretends to be an expert in fields in which he has no experience<br />
Associates with radicals<br />
Funded by industrialists<br />
Created his own symbol<br />
Strong-arm election tactics<br />
Fraudulent voter registration<br />
Carefully planned, highly organized and tightly orchestrated public speeches, at night with dramatic lighting, etc.<br />
Got his own songs (see little children singing &#8216;em on YouTube; it&#8217;s scary)<br />
Nebulous promises of undefined change<br />
Consolidating power immediately<br />
Constraint of the press</p>
<p>Gee. Is there a pattern, or what?</p>
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		<title>By: breadbasker</title>
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		<dc:creator>breadbasker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see, Hero worship, cult of personality, trying to intimidate and silence critics, fawning press media, etc. Just like 30&#039;s Germany, we are into a recession/depression with devalued currency(not quite on 30&#039;s Germany level yet)there are prescreened people and questions at press conferences. All we need is a group to use as primary scapegoat for all problems which we will proceed to demonize. 

There are no similarities and that could never happen in the U.S.
My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, Hero worship, cult of personality, trying to intimidate and silence critics, fawning press media, etc. Just like 30&#8242;s Germany, we are into a recession/depression with devalued currency(not quite on 30&#8242;s Germany level yet)there are prescreened people and questions at press conferences. All we need is a group to use as primary scapegoat for all problems which we will proceed to demonize. </p>
<p>There are no similarities and that could never happen in the U.S.<br />
My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: onewiseguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>onewiseguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are some pretty funny caricatures of Bush. See that&#039;s the difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives can laugh at themselves and see humor where it exists (even when said humor is WAY off base); whereas liberals are like immature, spoiled children who throw temper tantrums when they don&#039;t get their way. Liberals&#039; hatred and insults went to new levels during the Bush years. They certainly have NO room to complain when their Messiah is exposed and ridiculed. Liberals decry the Patriot Act as tyranny but what Obama is doing makes the Patriot act look like a Declaration of Independence. You see, liberals aren&#039;t against dictators....they happen to love any dictator that represents them and their ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are some pretty funny caricatures of Bush. See that&#8217;s the difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives can laugh at themselves and see humor where it exists (even when said humor is WAY off base); whereas liberals are like immature, spoiled children who throw temper tantrums when they don&#8217;t get their way. Liberals&#8217; hatred and insults went to new levels during the Bush years. They certainly have NO room to complain when their Messiah is exposed and ridiculed. Liberals decry the Patriot Act as tyranny but what Obama is doing makes the Patriot act look like a Declaration of Independence. You see, liberals aren&#8217;t against dictators&#8230;.they happen to love any dictator that represents them and their ideology.</p>
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