Comments on: An Old-Fashioned “Talking Down To” http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:19:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jay Val http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12233 Jay Val Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:07:01 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12233 Hey Bob, it is not personal. It is an observation. I like the principles you presented about Nannie Helen Burroughs and I do think that Obama is familiar with them because he does embody many of those principles as I pointed out in my long response. It just seemed to me, however, that putting it out there for your right wing/conservative following was not useful. Based on the comments, they did not see this as an educational opportunity; they used it as another way of blaming liberals of today, painting blacks as victims, and to say, see, I told you--blacks need to do better, and so forth. I apologize if I offended you but I didn't think your readers really got the point. Even you admitted that you: do have a vindictive streak, and hope to see the day when black people wake up and turn on those, who've screwed them for decades purely for power." Maybe your readers did take it as you meant them to. But again, my apologies If I'm wrong. Hey Bob, it is not personal. It is an observation. I like the principles you presented about Nannie Helen Burroughs and I do think that Obama is familiar with them because he does embody many of those principles as I pointed out in my long response. It just seemed to me, however, that putting it out there for your right wing/conservative following was not useful. Based on the comments, they did not see this as an educational opportunity; they used it as another way of blaming liberals of today, painting blacks as victims, and to say, see, I told you–blacks need to do better, and so forth. I apologize if I offended you but I didn’t think your readers really got the point. Even you admitted that you: do have a vindictive streak, and hope to see the day when black people wake up and turn on those, who’ve screwed them for decades purely for power.” Maybe your readers did take it as you meant them to. But again, my apologies If I’m wrong.

]]> By: Jay Val http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12231 Jay Val Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:50:33 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12231 As for Barack Obama -- maybe he too knows of Nannie Helen Burroughs: Many of her 12 principles as you state them do apply to him: 1--get educated; Obama is; so is his wife. 2--expect God & white folks to help him; he is running for President against the advice of many white folks and black folks who think he should have waited. He didn't listen to them. He stepped out on faith and has asked for God's guidance along the way. 3--he definitely runs (ran) his community as an organizer; 4--he dresses appropriately and decent 5--he went to church on Sundays for 20 years at the same place; it was because of his faith not because of the emotions of a minister 6--he is trying to wipe out ignorance by enocuraing us to do better, i.e., learn another language!! That is not a new thought! I learned Spanish in high school and took Latin too. He encourages us to think about things and to face realities. He has intellectual curiosity (something GwBush never had). 7--what can you say about that? He doesnot use his race and he has more faith in white folks' attitudes (that they will vote for him come November), than many of us had. 8--he is trying to make a brand new reputation for himself: President of the USA 9--Barack has always behaved decently in public; this principle doesn't apply to him 10--He is trying to operate the business of this country for ALL OF US. This country is a mess and this will be a hard job. It will require someone with the energy and intellectual understanding of the economy. 11--I dont' think he is in the "air"; he lives in reality. Jesse Jackson doesn't really believe that either; Jesse had a bit of envy going on. 12--We will see if he forgets his friends or not; so far, he seems to be loyal and others seem loyal to him. That last paragraph in item 12 says: "The noblest thing that the Negro can do is to so live and labor that these benefactors will not have given in vain. The Negro must make his heart warm with gratitude, his lips sweet with thanks and his heart and mind resolute with purpose to justify the sacrifices and stand on his feet and go forward." This describes Obama all the way! As for Barack Obama — maybe he too knows of Nannie Helen Burroughs: Many of her 12 principles as you state them do apply to him:
1–get educated; Obama is; so is his wife.
2–expect God & white folks to help him; he is running for President against the advice of many white folks and black folks who think he should have waited. He didn’t listen to them. He stepped out on faith and has asked for God’s guidance along the way.
3–he definitely runs (ran) his community as an organizer;
4–he dresses appropriately and decent
5–he went to church on Sundays for 20 years at the same place; it was because of his faith not because of the emotions of a minister
6–he is trying to wipe out ignorance by enocuraing us to do better, i.e., learn another language!! That is not a new thought! I learned Spanish in high school and took Latin too. He encourages us to think about things and to face realities. He has intellectual curiosity (something GwBush never had).
7–what can you say about that? He doesnot use his race and he has more faith in white folks’ attitudes (that they will vote for him come November), than many of us had.
8–he is trying to make a brand new reputation for himself: President of the USA
9–Barack has always behaved decently in public; this principle doesn’t apply to him
10–He is trying to operate the business of this country for ALL OF US. This country is a mess and this will be a hard job. It will require someone with the energy and intellectual understanding of the economy.
11–I dont’ think he is in the “air”; he lives in reality. Jesse Jackson doesn’t really believe that either; Jesse had a bit of envy going on.
12–We will see if he forgets his friends or not; so far, he seems to be loyal and others seem loyal to him. That last paragraph in item 12 says: “The noblest thing that the Negro can do is to so live and labor that these benefactors will not have given in vain. The Negro must make his heart warm with gratitude, his lips sweet with thanks and his heart and mind resolute with purpose to justify the sacrifices and stand on his feet and go forward.” This describes Obama all the way!

]]> By: Bob Parks http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12229 Bob Parks Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:29:03 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12229 JV- I, and the others here, have taken the time to engage in political discussion. No one invited you. You crashed, fine. Why do you insist on making this personal? JV-
I, and the others here, have taken the time to engage in political discussion. No one invited you. You crashed, fine.

Why do you insist on making this personal?

]]> By: Jay Val http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12228 Jay Val Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:23:37 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12228 Hey Bob, I hope you also read her words and take them at heart. To be a "Negro" you sure work hard to make the "white" man love you. (See number 8 above). Hey Bob, I hope you also read her words and take them at heart. To be a “Negro” you sure work hard to make the “white” man love you. (See number 8 above).

]]> By: Kushin Los http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12206 Kushin Los Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:14:46 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12206 If only there were more people like this woman and if only it were on about all races and creeds and the like. Still, good advice in the end. If only there were more people like this woman and if only it were on about all races and creeds and the like. Still, good advice in the end.

]]> By: Tony R http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12195 Tony R Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:15:08 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12195 From the Library of Congress: Often acknowledged as the female Booker T. Washington, Nannie Burroughs was acclaimed by many as a great orator. Accounts describing her ability to arouse and sway an audience are found in newspaper articles and in letters in the General Correspondence. However, only a few of her speeches have survived. Two in the collection are addresses she delivered in support of Republican candidates in the election campaigns of 1928 and 1932. From the Library of Congress:

Often acknowledged as the female Booker T. Washington, Nannie Burroughs was acclaimed by many as a great orator. Accounts describing her ability to arouse and sway an audience are found in newspaper articles and in letters in the General Correspondence. However, only a few of her speeches have survived. Two in the collection are addresses she delivered in support of Republican candidates in the election campaigns of 1928 and 1932.

]]> By: Tony R http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12193 Tony R Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:06:12 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12193 Nannie Helen Burroughs was born May 2nd, 1879, in Orange, Virginia.[1] Her parents were John and Jennie Burroughs. They were both ex-slaves. Her father was a farmer and itinerant Baptist preacher, her mother was a cook. After the death of her father when Nannie was 5, she and her younger sister were brought to Washington, D.C. by their mother in pursuit of a better education. In 1896 Nannie graduated with honors in business and domestic science from the Colored High School on M street (now Dunbar High School). She received an honorary M.A. degree from Eckstein-Norton University in Kentucky in 1907. From Wikipedia. This is a classic story of someone making good of their lives. I'm sure there are many more of these stories than we think. Unfortunately, there are a great many who cry loudly that not enough is done for them and they are the only ones heard... Nannie Helen Burroughs was born May 2nd, 1879, in Orange, Virginia.[1] Her parents were John and Jennie Burroughs. They were both ex-slaves. Her father was a farmer and itinerant Baptist preacher, her mother was a cook.

After the death of her father when Nannie was 5, she and her younger sister were brought to Washington, D.C. by their mother in pursuit of a better education.

In 1896 Nannie graduated with honors in business and domestic science from the Colored High School on M street (now Dunbar High School).

She received an honorary M.A. degree from Eckstein-Norton University in Kentucky in 1907. From Wikipedia.

This is a classic story of someone making good of their lives. I’m sure there are many more of these stories than we think. Unfortunately, there are a great many who cry loudly that not enough is done for them and they are the only ones heard…

]]> By: khazadman http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12192 khazadman Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:55:55 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12192 I love this woman. "Rights mad and duty dumb". That pretty much describes far too many in this country. I love this woman. “Rights mad and duty dumb”. That pretty much describes far too many in this country.

]]> By: Bob Parks http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12191 Bob Parks Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:42:32 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12191 I do have a vindictive streak, and hope to see the day when black people wake up and turn on those, who've screwed them for decades purely for power. I do have a vindictive streak, and hope to see the day when black people wake up and turn on those, who’ve screwed them for decades purely for power.

]]> By: Cameron http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12188 Cameron Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:59:18 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12188 <i>Sadly, were she around today she'd merely be mocked and scorned by the liberal establishment for telling Blacks to act White.</i> Kind of like the way Bob is mocked here and on his YouTube page for being an Uncle Tom or far worse. Sadly, were she around today she’d merely be mocked and scorned by the liberal establishment for telling Blacks to act White.

Kind of like the way Bob is mocked here and on his YouTube page for being an Uncle Tom or far worse.

]]> By: DJ Jones http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12185 DJ Jones Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:09:59 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12185 Brilliant woman. Sadly, were she around today she'd merely be mocked and scorned by the liberal establishment for telling Blacks to act White. Funny thing is that a lot of her advice isn't just good for Black people, but all people. Brilliant woman. Sadly, were she around today she’d merely be mocked and scorned by the liberal establishment for telling Blacks to act White. Funny thing is that a lot of her advice isn’t just good for Black people, but all people.

]]> By: Freedom_Lover http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12183 Freedom_Lover Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:32:18 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12183 What I'd like to know is what precipitated "white flight" from the cities in the 1950s to the suburbs. Was it the crime, or the fact of the new suburbs going up? I can't seem to find more literature on the subject. What I’d like to know is what precipitated “white flight” from the cities in the 1950s to the suburbs. Was it the crime, or the fact of the new suburbs going up? I can’t seem to find more literature on the subject.

]]> By: tv2112 http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12172 tv2112 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:45:49 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12172 Holy crap! Bob I can't even fathom where you found that remarkable women's quotes. She is like Jimmie Hendricks...about way too many years before her time. She sounds remarkable! I'd love to drink a brew (or lemonade) with her too! She wouldn't fit in with today's society of dems...and I'd have to shoot someone in her defense. Wonderful woman! Shame that people saw what had to be done soooo long ago but only followed their personal agendas instead of that of the people. Thank you Bob for sharing that vision of the past that should have come about long ago! Holy crap! Bob I can’t even fathom where you found that remarkable women’s quotes. She is like Jimmie Hendricks…about way too many years before her time. She sounds remarkable! I’d love to drink a brew (or lemonade) with her too! She wouldn’t fit in with today’s society of dems…and I’d have to shoot someone in her defense. Wonderful woman! Shame that people saw what had to be done soooo long ago but only followed their personal agendas instead of that of the people. Thank you Bob for sharing that vision of the past that should have come about long ago!

]]> By: dh madsen http://www.black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/comment-page-1/#comment-12171 dh madsen Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:17:47 +0000 http://black-and-right.com/2008/07/11/an-old-fashioned-talking-down-to/#comment-12171 This advice is good for Mexicans. And NYPRs. And Orientals. And Indians--or native Americans--or first responders/no...it's first somethings...---and for me and my neighbors white or black or any color or ethnicity or race or creed, and every body on the planet. It could be said of anybody who is not living up to their divine potential: Matthew 5:48. I really appreciate this website, and this treasure of advice is one of the reasons. This advice is good for Mexicans. And NYPRs. And Orientals. And Indians–or native Americans–or first responders/no…it’s first somethings…—and for me and my neighbors white or black or any color or ethnicity or race or creed, and every body on the planet. It could be said of anybody who is not living up to their divine potential: Matthew 5:48.

I really appreciate this website, and this treasure of advice is one of the reasons.

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